Syncing Virtual Drummer to my DAW

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  • wayne wisner

    I have the same qustion. How to trigger VD so that beat one is on beat one of the DAW ?

     

    I AM USING STUDIO ONE 4.1.4

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  • Anthony Wood

    Hi Wayne

    My work around this is to use imput Quantize in your DAW I use Logic Pro X but you should have this option in Studio One hope this helps.

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  • Ivan Callot

    This workaround force you to play "early" otherwise you endup with your pattern delayed by the quantization. Could you add an option to "just" sync Virtual bassist, virtual guitarists and drummers like Native Instruments do (Electric sunburst, Session Guitarist etc...)? It so much easier to stay in sync... You don't have to quantize with their software, Ujam virtual players could be much more powerful. Pleaaaaase.... :)

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  • Stefan Lindmark

    Same question. Using Mainstage and triggering VIrtual Drummer live (no pre-recorded notes). Looking to have beat one of Mainstage be beat one of Virtual Drummer.

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  • Stefan Lindmark

    I've written a plugin script now for Mainstage Scripter that should solve this. The script implements realtime quantizing (to the first downbeat of the next measure) of notes played on the keyboard. Quantizing is limited to just the notes controlling intro, verse and chorus patterns will be quantized. If those patterns trigger on the correct beat the drums should play in sync. All other notes are left untouched so fills and endings can be triggered anytime.

    I'm planning to make the script configurable with up to 10 keyboard zones that can be defined to include/exclude them from quantizing. But first I'll need to test it a bit to see that it performs well and isn't affected by factors like higher CPU load.

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  • Charles Cochran

    Honestly, it is unimaginable that a program that touts itself as being "easy" to use, will not automatically sync to the click.  Every other drum program I have EVER used automatically syncs to the click.  It is something that I took for granted would be the case, but apparently not with Ujam VD.   I have watched Ujam VD tutorial videos on YouTube where the operator has no problem, seemingly instantly writing perfect drum parts for his song, and in no time at all has a beautiful and perfect drum track using Ujam Virtual Drummer.  But when I try it, I cannot even get started, because it won't sync.  I just figured I must be doing something wrong - that I'm missing something obvious.  Yet here is this thread with others having the very same problem, with users responding with stupid work-arounds (no offense to those trying to help).  And there is NOTHING in the manual that is helpful, nor do I see anyone on the tech side of Ujam jumping in to help.    WTF?!    I love the way it sounds, just wish I could figure out how to use the damn thing. 

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  • Stefan Coordes (UJAM)

    Hey guys,

    It's intentional that our Virtual Drummers start playing the selected phrase at the moment you trigger it. So in most cases, triggering on the "1" of a bar is needed.

    While this way you have lots of creative freedom we understand that it can be painful in some situations. Having a different mode in which the drummers always play in sync with the DAW project is high on our list of feature requests. We'll keep you posted here.

    Michael

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  • Ivan Callot

    Great news ! Please implement it also in guitar and bass product, it will open a brand new scope in live situations !

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  • Stefan Coordes (UJAM)

    Thanks, Ivan! Noted as well :)

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  • Charles Cochran

    Glad to know that the program was designed that way, but it raises some questions, like, why? In what situation is it useful, and why wouldn't syncing to the click be considered the most useful and obvious feature?  Can anyone explain to me the workflow as to how to use the program as is?  Because I just found it confounding and impossibly difficult to use.  It took me forever to get a useful track, and I have given up on the program until this issue is fixed.  I had to commit my drum parts to audio, and then cut, paste and slide them into the song, which totally negated any useful on-the-fly creativity.  Great sounds, great groove, great feel, and then, brick-wall stopped by lack of a feature that I totally assumed would be there.   Why is there no mention in the software documentation about this?  Why are there no instructions as to a work around?  I still don't understand how anyone even uses this program.  And the videos that are posted make it look so easy.  It's anything but!  Really frustrating and a total time waster!

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  • David Lemonds

    I just bought the Bass and guitar bundles. To not have it lock in with my click on my DAW is absolutely ridiculous. Agreeing with Charles that how could syncing with the click in a DAW NOT be a priority when making these plugins? What is the timeline for UJAM to have the fix for this?

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  • Karl Parnow-Kloth

    I totally agree with all of you who ask themselves, how to syncronise these VIs with the DAW. I couldn't believe that this does not work and spent another day searching for a feature, they simply did not implement. Unbelievabel. I hate to spend my time on bugs like this. And I'm sort of happy I found this discussion, cause now I can stop searching. Cannot use these instruments, what is some sort of sad, too, because the sound is (for special use) convincing indeed. 

    Hope to here about updates soon.

     

    Thanks, Karl

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  • Charles Cochran

    Soooo, I just got a notice about a new post to this thread, and saw Karl and David's posts.  Well, Dave & Karl, it's been six months since I posted my complaint...  Is there an update yet?  Because it's HIGH on the list of Ujam's feature requests, don'tcha know!  Seems to me that if I was setting out to design a VI drummer, the FIRST thing I would make it do is sync to click.  Ujam says that it's "Intentional" that the drums start playing when you tap the space bar.  But just try and make the drums sync to your track that way.  Impossible.  :(

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  • David Lemonds

    This product might work well in a live environment for a one man band scenario. Ujam should have marketed it this way instead implying it would work in a studio environment. Seems disingenuous to me, especially after dropping $300+ to purchase these. My only choice is to hope Ujam will update it to sync with DAWS.

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  • Xavi Gómez

    I have same problem.
    Nearly impossible to adjust the drum in real time with a song in studio one. The synch is essential and it's not implemented.
    I must add that the funcction "drag and drop" doesn't work.

    Very confusing aswell the presets and the styles....


    So I think it would be better to use another vst drummer for my songs.

     

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  • Stefan Coordes (UJAM)

    Hello everyone,

    Thank you so much for your feedback! It really means a lot to us, as we are always trying to improve our plug-ins and make them better for our users. I'd like to clarify a few things:

    • Virtual Drummer and other ujam plug-ins are always synced to the tempo set in your DAW.
    • The plug-ins are not synced to the click / the metronome, which gives you the freedom to play around as you like, completely independent of other tracks and the control bar of your DAW. 
    • We have this request on our list, but didn't implement it yet for various reasons.

     

    If you want to sync your Virtual Drummer (or any other ujam plug-in) to your click track, here's how-to:

    1. Use the respective MIDI note on a straight beat (the first beat is recommended) to trigger the desired groove / pattern of your Virtual Instrument (the patterns are not designed to start on an odd beat of a measure)
    2. Use the Drag'n'Drop feature to control your plug-in! We've implemented this feature to most ujam plug-ins and it also allows you to tweak the patterns and grooves.
    3. Enjoy! That was easy, right? :)

    Here's a general hint: The best way to control your Virtual Instruments is using good MIDI data! The "quantize" and "force legato" feature of your DAW is also a great way to optimze your MIDI notes.

     

    Please let me know if you have any follow up questions.

     

    Kind regards,

    Stefan

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  • Ivan Callot

    Thanks for the answer.
    I think we all know how to sync "manually" your plugins... 
    I guess we all want them to sync automatically to the tempo 
    I just bought Electric Sunburst Deluxe from one of your competitors because it's always synced to the tempo. 
    I'm guessing it's complicated to implement this in your plugins but it's a deal breaker for me : it can't be used in live situations, or simply jamming along a track...   


     
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